Alfred Genovese and Harold Wright: Video Interview by David McGill

David McGill was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1963. At the age of 17, he won the position of principal bassoon in the Tulsa Philharmonic. After one season, he was accepted as a student of Sol Schoenbach at the Curtis Institute of Music where his chamber music and woodwind instructors were John de Lancie and John Minsker. Before graduating from Curtis in 1985 with a bachelor of music degree, he was the 1983 winner of the I.D.R.S. ‘Fernand Gillet Competition.’ David McGill was the principal bassoonist of the Toronto Symphony for three seasons and the principal bassoonist of the Cleveland Orchestra for nine years. In 1996, he was engaged to fill the principal bassoon chair of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra retiring in 2014. He is currently Professor of Bassoon at Northwestern University Bienen School of Music.

In preparation for his acclaimed book: Sound in Motion: A Performer’s Guide to Greater Musical Expression (Indiana University Press, 2007), David McGill conducted a series of video interviews with Tabuteau students and colleagues. In this most illuminating 1993 video interview of oboist Alfred Genovese and clarinetist Harold Wright, David McGill captures them reminiscing about their interactions with Marcel Tabuteau and the influence Tabuteau had upon them. David has contributed the following commentary:

“It was taped in the Boston Symphony Hall locker room area on January 21, 1993. Harold Wright died that summer. It was the only ‘joint’ interview I did of those who knew/worked with/studied with Marcel Tabuteau. All others were ‘solo’ interviews. ‘Buddy’ and ‘Al’ were best friends and even referred to each other as ‘Stanley and Ollie,’ as in Laurel and Hardy!”

“The tape copy shown below is raw, unedited footage which also contains, on the original, the first 30 minutes of an interview by Louis Rosenblatt taped later that same week. I expect to have my entire collection of Tabuteau-related interviews transferred to digital media and edited to professional standards.” D. M.

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The interview below is copyrighted and posted courtesy of David McGill. Kudos to David for having the foresight to conduct this interview, and much appreciation for allowing it to appear unedited on this website. The Tabuteau dialogue begins at 1:57.

Alfred Genovese (1931–2011) began the oboe at age sixteen with John Minsker, then English horn player with the Philadelphia Orchestra. He later studied with Marcel Tabuteau at the Curtis Institute of Music. In 1953 following his graduation, he joined the Baltimore Symphony and three years later (1956), he was appointed principal oboe of the St. Louis Symphony. In 1959 he played one season with the Cleveland Orchestra under George Szell and then won the principal oboe position at the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra serving there from 1960 to 1977. He then joined the Boston Symphony as associate principal oboe, subsequently assuming the principal position from 1987 until his retirement in 1998.

He performed at both the Marlboro and Casals Festivals for many years and taught at New England Conservatory and Boston University.

Harold Wright (1926-1993) began his clarinet studies at age twelve and later entered the Curtis Institute of Music as a student of Ralph McLane, principal clarinetist of the Philadelphia Orchestra. While at Curtis, he attended many of Marcel Tabuteau’s wind classes, absorbing the oboist’s phrasing concepts. Upon his graduation in 1951, he became a member of the Houston Symphony, and the following year, principal clarinetist of the Dallas Symphony. He went on to become principal clarinetist of the National Symphony in Washington D.C. until joining the Boston Symphony as principal in 1970, where he remained until his untimely passing in 1993.

He performed at both the Marlboro and Casals Festivals for many years and taught at New England Conservatory, Boston University, and the Tanglewood Music Center.

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An audio interview with Joan Browne (Champie), a private Tabuteau student in the early 1950s.

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Marc Mostovoy Replies to the Facebook Posts
Attacking Marcel Tabuteau

When she learned of Joan Champie’s death, and read the obituaries, Katherine Needleman, principal oboe of the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra and one of two oboe professors at the Curtis Institute of Music, posted on her Facebook page and again via video a message of outrage. Needleman’s central paragraph, in which she addresses herself directly to Marcel Tabuteau, is as follows:

“I don’t care if it was 1952 or 1954. I don’t care what you did for oboe reeds, as if anyone cares that you sometimes scraped them longer with your knife than your predecessors—what an innovation! I don’t care what you did for phrasing, and I don’t care how many (mostly men) students you inspired with your abusive teaching, which lived on for generations because they were unable to self-assess and grow past it. I don’t care about your number system. If you did not admit Joan to Curtis because she was a woman, and if you “let” her sweep your floor as a reward, this is how I remember you. *** you, Marcel Tabuteau. You know what would’ve been a real innovation that would have provided us all some benefit? Being a Very Big Fancy Man who supported women in music.

Needleman’s outrage is the result of the mention, in Joan Champie’s obituary, that Tabuteau hesitated to accept women at the Curtis Institute because 1) the likelihood of their being able to pursue a successful career was limited; and 2) because, after a successful lesson, Tabuteau “allowed her to sweep the floor.” 

Point 1 is, very obviously, one of the sad facts of orchestral life in the United States in the 1940s and 1950s, and, alas, even beyond. Conductors at that time rarely hired women oboists. The increasing presence of women in symphony orchestras in the United States, and around the world, is one of the signs of the remarkable gains made by women since the mid-twentieth century, gains akin to those that have been made in this country by other groups long dismissed or long oppressed.

Point 2, apparently troubling–although possibly the result of Tabuteau’s well-known mischievous sense of humor, needs to be understood in context. Those of us who knew Tabuteau or who knew others who knew him well, acknowledge that he could be a difficult taskmaster and act cold in lessons—not only to his rare female students, but to all of those who came to his studio. And yet most of his students remained faithful and dedicated to him because of his demonstrative artistry and the richness of his teaching. As Joan Champie herself said, after explaining to me in an interview how trying it could be to withstand Tabuteau’s sometimes severe remarks, “each lesson was a gift.” Champie was a courageous young woman whose desire to learn from an artist obviously quieted the discomfort that she felt.

What is most distressing in Needleman’s tirade is the dismissal of Tabuteau’s reed-making, which was part of his effort to achieve a kind of sound that combined the best of the French and Viennese schools of oboe-playing (a kind of sonority that Katherine Needleman herself well produces) and the dismissal of Tabuteau’s concern with phrasing, which, as it gradually infiltrated the players who sat around him, became one of the elements that caused critics such as The New Yorker’s Winthrop Sargeant to call Eugene Ormandy’s band the “Rolls Royce” of American orchestras.

Needleman’s reference to Tabuteau’s “abusive teaching” goes too far. That teaching has lived on for generations not because Tabuteau’s students “were unable to self-assess and grow past it,” but because it incorporated logical and inspiring methods of making music come alive.

I take no pleasure in refuting Katherine Needleman’s profane tirade. Nor does anyone on our board think of the bad old days of male chauvinism as the good old days. The Marcel Tabuteau First-Hand website continues to remain dedicated to promoting the musical ideas of a man who in our view had a highly positive impact on the development of musical performance in the United States during his lifetime, and during the period since his death. I ask those reading this response and my initial reply below to forward it to others who might be aware of Needleman’s Facebook attacks, so that the facts may be known.

Marc Mostovoy
Website administrator

To Katherine Needleman: A Belated Reply to
Your August 15th, 2024, Facebook Post:
“𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐓𝐎 𝐉𝐎𝐀𝐍 𝐂𝐇𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐈𝐄.”

Katherine—your post on Joan Champie was just recently brought to my attention: https://www.facebook.com/profile/100058038401756/search/?q=joan%20champie. Having interviewed Joan last year, I thought it would be appropriate to respond. Kindly post this letter on your Facebook page and website. Thank you.

First I want to say that I wish you did have the opportunity to get to know Joan. She was a wonderful person and so inspiring. I felt privileged to have interacted with her even though it was only for a short period of time near the end of her life. Having gained insight into her relationship with Marcel Tabuteau through our conversations (including the live interview), I wanted to pass on to you what I learned from her.

As Joan pointed out to me, it’s important to understand that things were very different in her time. Viewed through the lens of today, Tabuteau’s treatment of her seems unjust. But she was a trooper and willing to accept the indignities because of the invaluable things he taught her. She felt it was well worth it as did all the other students who studied with him.

The reason Tabuteau did not like taking women students was because conductors of the major orchestras at that time wouldn’t think of hiring a woman oboist—even a Tabuteau student. Tabuteau felt putting all his time and effort into training a woman was futile because there was no career path for them, and he tried to dissuade women from taking up the instrument for their own sakes. But there were some women who wouldn’t take no for an answer, and he reluctantly taught them. They included Joan, Laila Storch, Thelma Neft, Marguerite Smith, Martha Scherer, and Marjorie Jackson. And may I point out that everyone cherished the time they spent with Tabuteau despite the rough time he gave them. He also dished out the same tough treatment to their male counterparts as you know.

Now you might ask why Tabuteau treated all his students as he did. It certainly would not be acceptable today. But that’s the way it was then. Gillet (his teacher) and many teachers of that generation practiced that method. Tabuteau continued it because that is what he knew and grew up with. The students who couldn’t take it dropped out, but those who persevered were grateful for what Tabuteau taught them. As a footnote, many of Tabuteau’s students said it was great training to go through because it prepared them for playing under the difficult conductors they encountered afterward such as Toscanini, Stokowski, Reiner, and Szell—all dictators in their own right. 

Laila Storch’s biography contains numerous tributes by his students: woodwind, string and brass players; pianists, vocalists – all attesting how important he was to their musical lives. Tabuteau gave them something special that their own teachers couldn’t. Those who learned from him can’t all be wrong in their praise. He was a giant to them.

Throughout your post, you chastise Tabuteau for his behavior, measuring it by today’s values. I ask you to please take a step back and try to see things as they were then. Also try to appreciate what Tabuteau did to advance oboe playing and for the musicianship he instilled in so many. Today (July 2nd) being his birthday, let’s grant him the credit he deserves. 

Finally, most oboists of the Tabuteau school wouldn’t agree with you in dismissing his importance in regard to reeds, phrasing, and so forth. Indeed, Tabuteau paved the way for you too, Katherine, whether or not you wish to acknowledge it. Surely, he was far from perfect, but does he really deserve the full treatment you give him? I think not. 

Marc Mostovoy

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